I am astounded by the supervisors naivete! Who wants to waste their time on something so stupid. Every once in a while, or if weve had a rough week, well get a surprise $10 labeled cocktail funds or coffee for morale or something like that. Me neither. Would be super common in academia, as youll have papers out ( and probably a professional Twitter feed, too, where you repost snarky things about funding, continue any feuds with rival academics, and occasionally something about your area), Also, we once found someone we were considering collaborating with had a horribly racist Twitter feed, and killed the collaboration. People are allowed to look at it and do whatever they want with the information. Not necessarily fire / not hire. I think thats on topic if their question is what is and is not appropriatethis is definitely an example of what is NOT appropriate! LW3: Your frustration comes through in your letter, and I wonder if that also comes through to your leaders which could lead to a perception that you arent capable, or that you arent the type of leader they want in the organization. Personally, Id be creeped out by anything more than a cursory google search, but Im not going to kid myself that nobody I know has done more than that. Many people of all age groups think theyre a *lot* better at social media than they actually are. As someone in academia, I Google a lot of professional contacts before I reach out to them- both because most people dont have very complete LinkedIn pages, and because I can learn a lot about their current projects in our field that way! Exactly. These days, I imagine its pretty easy to just fire everyone off some kind of food-related gift cert. People are able to hire private investigators to tail people all the time and find out all kinds of information about them, it is all legal you do not have to consent to being followed, this is the similar to paying for a background check. Anyone that I feel like looking up. Because of Evil Bees deep insecurity and complete misunderstanding of the platform, she assumed I was referring to her. I draw pretty strict lines about not doing that for people in general, and friends / coworkers / suppliers / clients in specific. You dont have to drive past anyones house any more, you can just look it up on Google Street View and Zillow/Trulia/Redfin. #1: A related situation. You were told. This letter was about googling in general, not paying for a background check. That is why it gets reported on the news, why arrest records, police blotter, criminal court proceedings are made public. But if you go much deeper, it starts to feel like a power play of some kind, particularly if you start dropping hints about what you know. I did the exact same thing with an ex-boyfriends username from an online dating app. Well, a post like that should be something that an employer CAN follow up on. Thats not to say there are no problems here it certainly sounds like she still doesnt get on with the manager and the director above her, and this workplace might not be the best fit. What was that like?, Or I ran across your blog, and I loved your story about the frog., And of course, it would be sort of rude to say I ran across your storya bout the frog, and I thought you were a jerk.. On the team I am prior experience comes up all the time because we all came from different companies prior. Not as bad as some of their past changes, and people knew that something was coming so it was a little more possible to protect yourself, but still. #1 Beware of finding people with similar names as your co-workers, even living in the same state or same metro area. I understand that people in the office get perks, but my perk is choosing where I work. The folks who think that Googling someones professional info are really confusing me. I work in an age-sensitive industry where if youre a women over 40 youre a dinosaur so I removed myself from almost all of the people search sites and have my social media pretty locked down so she tells people that I must have deep secrets because she cant find anything about me. Imagine someone who doesnt want her new office to know she is a survivor of a newsworthy event so she can have one place in her life to feel more normal again. And, sure, I could just ask instead of googling, but Im pretty socially awkward and I think I would just come across as weirdly interrogating someone if I tried that. Young techno-whizzes preached the advantage of splashing yourself all over the web so anyone could find you. The fault falls squarely on the shoulders of the person doing the snooping. HIPAA is an acronym for Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act. My sense from the last few was that they were fairly remedial and targeting inexperienced managers, and so I wondered if there was a particular skill gap you hoped Id focus on.. Its the equivalent of staring at your cube neighbor when they come in and noting the time. If Id stopped there and started spreading rumors, I could have done some terrible damage to her reputation. If you can see the truth of that in the people at the table next to you in a restaurant, then you can see the truth of that online as well. At least two of my past addresses show up when I google myself and Ive never explicitly put them online because that would be risky. On a subconscious level, we must recognize the company whos name is on the pen we use, and when it comes to buying an item, were more likely to chose them over a competitor. I had a job that required we not only Google our new hires and volunteers, but look them up on all social media platforms. If you dont understand what youre agreeing to, hire a lawyer to explain it to you. The Code provides standards of conduct and guidance to resolve ethical and compliance issues at the work. If youre doing a specific, targeted search for information about someone, thats creepy, unless you have a compelling reason for doing so. You actively chose to do it every single time you posted. Yeah its definitely not rude, unless youre actually questioning their ability to do their job. But if youre ACTIVELY looking for dirt on people, thats just messed up. LW4: Whether or not you can keep the freebies may depend somewhat on your job function. Colleagues: Use Windows ID and password (computer login) Attention: MyLife is solely for the use of authorized CVS Health agents. In their quest to be helpful they autofill a lot of sites; now I just use several different emails for different types of sites. Doesnt employment verification typically include salary anyway? If youre the person writing the specification for a purchase, or the person choosing a vendor for it, your company may have rules about the type of goods and services you may accept as well as limits on how often you may accept them Caesars wife and all that. This would allow me to change how Im explaining something were disagreeing on and allow me to tailor my approach a bit better. Its part of your job to give them enough information to make the decisions you need them to or if everything is going swimmingly and you dont need support to make sure you agree with them on metrics for success so you can show the manager/director theyre being met. Yes. Just because Im in public in a park, would it be OK for someone to set up a microphone to catch what I said, add it to a searchable database with my name and location tagged, and keep it online forever? If youre just looking up a coworkers linkedin profile or website to get a sense of their professional background, I think most people would consider that fine. Theres plenty of information about me on the internet that I never consented to be put there but have no control over taking it down. This might be because growing up everyone in my neighborhood knew there was one neighbor who rarely left their house (if ever) but sat by the window watching everything going on, on the street, in houses, backyards. In my department, supervisors will treat off-siters to a coffee or other food gift card about once a quarter. While I disagree with the norm, I will admit that most people would be freaked out by someone bringing up info they found online. Yeah. That doesnt mean Id be happy if you called me up. Most of the time when I look someone up, they have their own professionally-focused website. I can understand doing this for a potential date, but not a new coworker. I think the people who think they should never be googled without a good reason are unreasonable, and wildly out of touch. I was horrified. I used to work for a city so extreme in their enforcement of the gift policy that I had to fill out the disclosure form when a child drew me a picture. Privacy Policy and Affiliate Disclosures, my new employee ran a background check on me and asked me about what he found, I'm a nepotism baby, paying based on where employees live, and more. Re #1 I know this is arguable, but in my opinion, any public info about someone is fair game to look up. manager to the hiring manager during reference checking. Its totally possible that this organization is just a poor fit, but maybe theres some feedback you can learn from in this crappy experience, too. LinkedIn is fine. If you dont want people to have access to that information, then dont make it so easy for people to find. Its not necessarily that strange. Getting a gift card to spend money with just your family and/or friends instead of with coworkers :), I think it actually is slightly more complicated when the people are remote. Anything you could call research is an overstep. They thought shed be embarrassed, but her response was basically, yeah, so? In a few years, I think every candidate will probably have silly videos or posts from high school or college posted somewhere and it wont manage so much. I dont use social media, and I already feel sufficiently informed about my co-workers general life goings-on, so I would probably only be interested in tracking them down online if we had a shared hobby or something and I wanted to check our their online presence related to that hobby. Whats something related I can do for my remote workers if Im going to feed the crew on-site? We asked Peter Sokolowski, a lexicographer at Merriam-Webster, about the etymologies of the two words and . Its naive to think no one will find it. And you dont have to never post on any public forum to have a reasonable expectation that people arent going to go to extreme lengths to cyberstalk you, like by cross-referencing a username they found linked to your email on one site with usernames on other sites, a la Ross Ulbricht. Knowing this, I would be angry on your behalf if you cant keep a pen since theres no reasonable reason behind it. The information is public. Oh, definitely some folks have set land speed records coming over from the other buildings when pizzas are announced! Neither statement is true. This. From stock market news to jobs and real estate, it can all be found here. That is utterly absurd. Or if the boss wants to be nice ask them what they would like a slice of. There were no disclosures. Coworker: "one who works with another : a fellow worker". So they interviewed and hired a candidate for a licensed position (not a lawyer, but like thatsomething you cant do without being authorized by a licensing body to do it). draw such a clear boundary. The information contained herein is the property of CVS Health and subject to non-disclosure, security and . I guess I just have a fundamentally different perspective on the privacy issue. They have. I have been alone after hours with someone who started using softer phrases from the alt-right message boards that have now produced multiple mass shooters. In a large city, there may be more than one Fergus Ferguson. So if I want to do a crazy dance in a cow costume in my bedroom with the blinds open I imagine that someone is looking and maybe even recording me. Ive never had a management role where I was incented to keep someones salary lower than it could be. And hes very likely to scare anybody prone to being nervous. The easier it is to get away with something and the fewer repercussions (if any) that will result, the more likely people are to indulge in activities they know arent right. Not to make assumptions but the tone of a few of the things in LW3 raised an eyebrow and if thats how they are presenting themselves around the office I could see why things arent going well. You cant forget things you learn about people but you still have to work with them. Thats too much. I think its a leap to assume that this was punitive. This is one of them. And that doesnt apply to just 5 seconds after what ever is found out. This can happen when the manager is at director level and their direct report is managing a function that the director has no direct experience of. However, since it would have been on the news (various channels) and published in one or more newspapers, is it likely that no one you will ever work with would have seen or heard about it? Besides, in my department, we usually want people who show at least a little bit of competence in social media use its part of our responsibility here and you can learn a lot about someones general social media literacy by checking their Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn. This question was prompted by your recent letter about a nosy coworker. It was pushed by one of the partners, who wanted some things done, had a general idea what he wanted, but didnt know exactly what was needed. Finance (including fin-tech) falls under government regulations, so employees cant accept or make gifts above a certain limit & of certain types. If you google Jellybean Uniqueforeignname, youll see someone with an identical name who was part of a public police investigation. Im twenty something and I dont care either. It changes from odd to creepy, the minute they let you know they are surveilling you for no particular reason (like they are letting you know they found garden variety stuff instead of something like a hate speech manifesto against your client base). My new profession is teaching. What the googler didnt know was that I also have a cousin (one year older) that has the same name. I agree, LinkedIn is totally fair game. To put it bluntly, she lucked out when she got her job, and the opposite happened to me. But a lot of records that can turn up online arent the result of social media posting, or indeed posting anything at all. And there can be good motivations and bad motivations. The search results could be something the new CW posted herself. They have hot chocolate and food. We just had to send her the receipt. I think back then if you didnt want your phone number and address to appear in the phone book you could pay to have your information unlisted. One caveat: Make sure the place you get a gift card to actually delivers to the home of the worker. Yeah, the combination of research tendencies and openly posted CVs makes for very different expectations. Call (225) 687-7590 or little caesars crust ingredients today! In addition, since I would have been close to a promotion at my former company had they continued in business, I am targeting jobs at the level I would have been at had I received that promotion. Those who are saying if you put it out there, its public and, basically, fair game and youre naive if you expect otherwise and then those who are saying you should still expect some things to remain private even if youve put it out there because we shouldnt be googling coworkers. Also, when everyone is in the same office you can note that the cheese and cracker spread lasted all day while the lemon bars vanished in an hourwith remote people you arent getting the same visual feedback about what was a widely appealing choice and what flopped. But you cannot take your age (for example) off the internet, and I for one certainly did not PUT my age on the internet. Whenever I treat the in-office team to lunch, I always send a Grubhub gift card to our remote team member, to make sure she feels included. Thats not necessarily true. (It was generous; where we lived at the time in a LCOL city we had to try hard to spend it all :) ) I though that was a good balance! . Thisis trueand yet I hesitate because internalized bias means some people feel less-safe based on protected characteristics. You do not get to claim that your privacy was somehow violated, or that someone is being a creep, for seeing you on CNN, during your public broadcast, intended for billions of people, on a site specifically and EXPRESSLY designed for the purpose of broadcasting what you choose to put out there. I dont think googling and paying for a background check are the same thing, I do agree that paying for the background check is a step farther than googling someone. I think that (in general, not just in this context) someone else doing something stupid does not mean you should take advantage of it. But no one calculates an odd pen here and there. Mike Monteiro has told a story of people being added to a Facebook group without consent, implying or reveal the status of their sexuality. Of course I Google themI want to see their site! The best policy is to keep your mouth shut. if you bought a house, how much you paid for it. To my knowledge weve never actually disciplined somebody over this, but HR wont budge on the policy. So, yeah. are all public. Working at home is still better than a slice of pizza. Its a way to learn more about someone when you may be too nervous to approach them or you just dont have a close enough relationship with them to ask for their life story. To continue with your analogy, I think think asking the person wearing the costume would be the same as asking a coworker directly about certain information. Nah, these are presentations being given on your lunch time, so its fine for you to take that stuff home if you want to. Not to mention that resumes are usually written for an audience of a hiring manager rather than a direct report. It took years to get rid of the rumors, and they are still popping up. If youre looking them up just because youre curious, it takes less effort to cross the line. I dont have any moral concerns with googling people, or with others googling me. My manager confronted me after my workmate gave his notice. But talking to your coworkers about stuff you find online is a different question from looking up your coworkers online. I assume theyre doing the same to me. Thats true, but Im not losing any sleep over some guy who wanted to be a paramedic firefighter not getting a job as such because he posted, more than once, that all black people should die (amongst other things). I would cringe so hard at telling someone that wed reimburse them for lunch as a perk but I see the thought behind it at least. literature. Why is it different? Im talking about someone randomly googling a coworker, finding their address and driving there when you have no reason to do so. I find it hard to believe so many people think its outrageous to do something on the level of looking at the public posts on someones FB page. Hence why you also got an unnecessary extra layer of management. I mean, most peoples addresses are easy to find online, and everyone used to have a list of them arrive at their house. In my initial interactions with the start-up, I was able to avoid answering their initial questions about desired compensation and former salary, and the interview went ahead and went well. Its a harmless piece of fluff! And while the majority work here on campus, a few are remote (people on study abroad, graduates who have continued to work for me, etc.).
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